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Dr. Carol Swain and Dr. Ben Carson Discuss the Origins, Impact, and Response to Critical Race Theory

by Corinne Murdock

Dr. Carol Swain appeared on the American Cornerstone Institute’s latest Cornerstone Conversation episode on Wednesday, alongside Dr. Ben Carson.

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The two proved a compatible pair with unique insight on critical race theory. Both were born in the early 1950s, enduring and overcoming hardships and poverty in their childhood about a decade before the abolishment of Jim Crow laws.

In his opening statements, Dr. Carson explained that standing up against critical race theory, as a black individual, requires a lot of courage. He observed that those who disagree with critical race theory are demonized.

“[T]he thing that really determines who a person is, as Dr. MLK emphasized so strongly – I suspect that he would be quite disappointed with critical race theory – it’s the character that makes a person, not the color of their skin,” said Dr. Carson. “Critical race theory turns that completely upside down and says that the color of their skin makes an enormous difference in terms of who you are and what you should think.”

In response, Dr. Swain reflected on her own experiences of becoming an outspoken opponent of critical race theory. She recounted the difficulties of her own beginnings and how she became a conservative. She was one of twelve children raised in rural poverty who dropped out of school after the 8th grade, got married at 16, and had three children by age 21. It was at that point that Dr. Swain got her high school equivalency and went to college, where she earned the first of five degrees.

As Dr. Swain moved into academia – first at Princeton University, then Vanderbilt University – she shared that she enjoyed her work. Everything changed, however, the moment she became a Christian. Dr. Swain shared that she became more conservative after that.

“I enjoyed winning national prizes and getting lots of accolades, signing bonuses, until I became a converted Christian, [and] increasingly became more conservative,” said Dr. Swain. “But even when I was a Democrat, I had common sense, and I didn’t see the world the way other people around me saw the world, and so I was being called conservative back then.”

Critical Race Theory’s Origins

The idea of critical race theory has been in academia for a while, according to Dr. Swain. She shared that she’d heard about it while she was earning her degrees.

She explained further that it wasn’t until previous President Barack Obama came into office that she began noticing the impact of critical race theory. Due to this, Dr. Swain explained that she dedicated her last four years teaching at Vanderbilt University to discussing the impact of communism on America’s political life and culture.

“It was a class where I did not allow political correctness: it was a free-speech zone,” said Dr. Swain. “What I see taking place today with critical race theory, I believe it is the civil rights challenge of our time.”

Dr. Carson observed that widespread change is most effectively implemented through widespread dissatisfaction. He noted that the issue of racism

The Why Behind ‘Systemic Racism’ and Critical Race Theory

According to Dr. Swain, racism is a distraction and diversion tool for the political left. It prevents people from recognizing the political left’s failings. Dr. Swain asserted that systemic racism no longer exists because she watched it fail and observed its downfall through the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Open Housing of 1968.

“I was born into systemic racism. I watched it crumble,” said Dr. Swain. “What I saw develop and evolve [after that] was a system of opportunities for people like me, and I can tell you many of my mentors – most – were white.”

Neither Dr. Swain or Dr. Carson alleged that racism hasn’t and doesn’t exist.

Dr. Carson recounted how he went from the bottom of his class to the top of his class in junior high school, simply by studying – and won the award for top academic performance. However, Dr. Carson said that one of the teachers chastised the white kids during the award ceremony.

“‘You are obviously not working hard enough,’” Dr. Carson recounted the teacher saying. “‘There is no way this young man, with all the hardships, should be number one.’”

When he and Dr. Swain were young, Dr. Carson said that affirmative action was necessary to allow minorities to prove themselves. Today’s world is different. He said that people have proven themselves, so affirmative action is no longer necessary.

“You have black admirals and generals, and CEOs of major corporations, Fortune 500 companies, universities. We have a black president, we have a black vice president,” said Dr. Carson. “I mean to sit there and say things haven’t dramatically changed – it’s a denial of reality.”

Dr. Swain responded that the unfortunate truth was that a lot of children believe in the teachings of critical race theory: that this country was built and runs for the benefit of white people.

“No longer are they saying that we want to achieve a colorblind society or achieve equal opportunity, they want to give up undeserved advantages to people because of the color of their skin,” said Dr. Swain.

Dr. Carson opined that people become like animals when they view everything through the lens of race because animals lack the capacity to see things like character and individuality. Rather, animals judge solely based on what they can visualize.

“Your race is not something you can control. Your character is something that you can control,” said Dr. Carson. “Why would you judge someone based on something they can’t control versus something they can control?”

How Critical Race Theory Violates Civil Rights Laws

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Open Housing of 1968 – all of the laws that abolished Jim Crow in America are being violated through critical race theory. Dr. Swain suggested that white individuals harmed by critical race theory have legal recourse because of that.

“Race includes whites. The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment covers all persons,” said Dr. Swain.

Dr. Carson remarked that he couldn’t imagine growing up a child in today’s world. Not only are they inhibited from seeing facial expressions due to masks, but they are told that they may be responsible for the deaths of the elderly in their lives or at risk of death themselves. On top of all that, Dr. Carson said, white children are told that they’re the cause of all societal problems and black children are told they will always be victims.

“It’s almost child abuse, what we’re doing to them,” said Dr. Carson.

Dr. Carson cited the Brookings Institute research that discovered that finishing high school, getting a full-time job, and waiting until 21 to be married and have children would severely slash an individual’s likelihood of poverty. That research has become popularized as three rules or three norms.

Dr. Swain added that even if mistakes are made, this country’s wealth of opportunities allows for the possibility to turn your life around. She also noted black America’s resiliency, citing Black Wall Street – an African-American community that prospered greatly without government interference, until the Tulsa race massacre occurred.

“That’s the story we should focus on: the successes we have been able to achieve as Americans working together across color lines,” said Dr. Swain.

Bridging Differences of Opinion

Racial tensions of some form have always existed. Dr. Carson explained slaveholders’ tactics of creating divisions among their slaves by encouraging groups of slaves to believe they were better than the other groups. Dr. Carson said that today, the differences of opinion are what causes these internal tensions.

“If there is systemic racism, it is on behalf of people who have very cleverly, ever since slavery, manipulated,” said Dr. Carson. “And now, in today’s society, [those manipulators make black people believe] you cannot agree with this black person if they have a different way of thinking. You know? Let’s keep the tension there, let’s keep the hatred there – and people keep falling for this stuff.”

Dr. Carson said that individuals need to be courageous in taking ownership of their life and speaking out against critical race theory.

“You don’t have to be a permanent victim. You can be a victor,” said Dr. Carson. “You can be somebody that inspires other people to do even better.”

Dr. Swain’s New Book on Critical Race Theory

In closing, Dr. Swain revealed that she is anticipating the release of her book, “Critical Race Theory: A Guide for the Perplexed,” around August 1.

“I don’t believe that the school systems who are pushing a race agenda and political activism instead of education – they are not on solid ground,” said Dr. Swain. “I think that if you stand on principle – just principles that you know – that you can get the upper hand.”

Watch the full interview here:

Dr. Carol Swainhttps://carolmswain.com/
Dr. Swain is host of the podcast Be The People on the America Out Loud Podcast Network. Passionate about empowering others to raise their voices in the public square, she is an author, public speaker, and political commentator.

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